Peer Review History
Original SubmissionMay 30, 2024 |
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PONE-D-24-21887Topology Aware Multitask Cascaded U-Net for Cerebrovascular SegmentationPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Rougé, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please carefully read and address the comments from the reviewers provided below. Please submit your revised manuscript by Aug 12 2024 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Please ensure that your ethics statement is included in your manuscript, as the ethics statement entered into the online submission form will not be published alongside your manuscript. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: I Don't Know Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This research paper addresses the critical topic of automatic 3D segmentation of the cerebrovascular network. It employs a U-Net model trained using Dice and centerline Dice losses, resulting in reduced training time while better preserving the network's topology compared to other known methods for cerebrovascular segmentation. While the topic is very important and the approach the authors use is innovative, the manuscript suffers from a critical deficiency that needs correction. Major correction: 1. Questioning the quality of the ground truth, which normally used as a gold standard. In line 294, it is stated that the value of is expected to be B1 = 1 and the value of B0 = 1. The authors continue with the explanation that the ground truths are noisy and topologically incorrect, so the actual numbers they measured and presented in the results section are much higher (they are not even the same order of the magnitude). How do the authors evaluate what is correct if the gold standard test is not correct? That puts into question all the conclusions in the paper and, therefore, this section needs to be re-written. Related to this, what is the unit of measurement or scale on the Y-axis in Figures 7 and 8? Minor suggestions: The presented work needs some additional information regarding the data sets used to test this newly developed method for cerebrovascular segmentation. Including the additional information would underscore the strengths and the true value of this research in real-world clinical applications. 1. Inter/Expert Segmentation Variability. The ground truth segmentations were performed by experts. Is there any information from previously published data on the expert-to-expert (human-to-human) variability of segmentations? Specifically, are the observed differences between expert-to-expert segmentation results comparable to the differences measured in this study (newly described automatic method vs. other state-of-the-art automatic methods, i.e. automatic- to -automatic method comparison)? 2. Data Characteristics. Was the method tested on a dataset from healthy patients, or was cerebrovascular pathology present? Pathological conditions such as leaky vessels, inflammatory cell infiltrates, and bleeding could interfere with segmentation and evaluation, potentially leading to decreased accuracy and increased training time. Although all methods compared in this study used the same datasets, and therefore the observed differences in the results are not caused by differences in the health status of the cerebrovascular network, mentioning this fact is important. It demonstrates that the newly described method can be utilized in various situations normally encountered in real life, and not only under certain conditions (for example, only in healthy young people, because that would defeat the purpose of developing this method in the first place). Technical comments: 1.Organization of the Manuscript. The results section should contain only the results, referencing appropriate tables and figures after each section or statement. Comparisons to other works and conclusions should be moved to the discussion section. 2. Consistency in the Paper Organization and Presentation. The methods section explains B0, B1, and B2 numbers, while the results figures contain B1 and B0 numbers. However, the authors continue to discuss only B0. The reason for this needs better clarification and consistency. 3. Abbreviations. Add a list of abbreviations (e.g., MRA, CTA, TOF-MRA) or define the meaning of each abbreviation in parentheses the first time it is mentioned in the text. Reviewer #2: This article examines the topic of automatic 3D cerebrovascular network segmentation using a cascaded U-net model, incorporating a novel method for evaluating segmentation loss with Dice losses. Researchers trained and evaluated their U-Net model in comparison with other leading skeletonization models, with a controlled experimental setting. The authors report improved accuracy and faster prediction times. In addition to its primary contribution, this research also offers additional value by proposing a more effective computation of Dice loss and providing an open code repository for further research access. The explanation of the proposed U-net model is sound and very well documented. The research's purpose, methods, and experiments are well articulated, but the descriptions of the dataset(subsection 4.1) and metrics (subsection 4.2) have drawbacks that raise concerns on validity of achieved results. 1. Based on statements on Betti number values for ground truth data “This shows that the ground-truth are noisy and not topologically correct” - This raises a significant challenge in evaluating segmentation methods; doesn’t this directly affect the withdrawn conclusions of the study and raises questions on model’s performance? 2. Regarding the omission of β2 results due to no apparent cavities, could you clarify how this was determined? Was the absence of cavities verified visually, mathematically, or through a combination of both methods? 3.The dataset description in subsection 4.1 is rather short. The study cited for the publicly available dataset does not contain a reference for the dataset itself; it would be beneficial to include a direct link to the repository containing the dataset along with the citation. It is unclear whether the vessel segmentation was performed by one or more experts. If done by multiple experts, what about consistency of the segmentations (e.g., expert to expert comparison)? Subsection 4.1 notes that the skeletonize method from scikit-image was used for generating the skeleton ground truth, but does not discuss why this method was chosen over other existing methods (such as graph based etc.). Additionally, the written language of the article can be enhanced by using an objective and formal tone, replacing first person pronouns (we, ours) with passive voice constructions. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). 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